08 Apr
Posted by charles as Journalism, News, Politics, commentary
Would you want a college student who didn’t know what country Kabul is in to help elect the leader of the free world?
Would you want a college student who thinks Roe v. Wade is about slavery to help elected the President of the United States?
Would you want a college student who doesn’t know that India and Japan are democracies and China and Cuba are not, to help put someone in the Oval Office for the next four and maybe even eight years?
Well, that may be exactly what is happening as the inmates appear to have taken over the asylum.
The New York Times reporting that more and more adults, who should know better, are caving to their children ,who are all but forcing their parents to cast a vote for Barack Obama.
“Their children made them do it,” is how the Times puts it.
Obama’s young, student supporters are ,according to the paper, sending their parents “the latest Obama YouTube videos, blog exhortations and ‘Tell Your Mama/Vote for Obama!’ bumper stickers.”
So, isn’t it great that students are politically engaged?
Sure…so long as they know something about the world in which they live. But, there is plenty of evidence that they do not.
The examples I cite at the top of this post come via an article written by Ted Gup ,who is a professor of journalism at Case Western Reserve University. He is describing students –college students–probably even Obama students–in his classes and just how ignorant they are of current events. Gup’s experience is similar to what other professors have found in schools all across America. Indeed, I found similar examples in classes I taught at the USC School of Journalism, which is supposed to be one of the finest such schools in the nation!
Can they really be THAT ignorant? YES THEY CAN BE
Gup tells how he asked his class of freshmen and sophomores how many had heard of the word “rendition?”—this after years of that word being used in newspapers and on television newscasts referring to the U.S. policy of shipping suspected terrorists off to other nations where they can be tortured to gain information.
No one in the class knew. And, when he told them, Gup says they were outraged this had been going on and wondered how this could have happened in America.
Gup’s answer was easy: He told his students to look around the room at one another and then he told them, they were “seated next to the answer.”
Gup says about one half of his class of 16 could not name a country bordering Israel, even though Middle Eastern politics and geography play such a crucial role in global events, especially the so-called war on terrorism.
Worse still, some of his students actually thought the atom bomb was dropped on Hiroshima ——-in 1975!!!!!!! Wow!
A current affairs test?
Clearly schools, even so-called good ones such as USC, are failing their students. Parents are failing their children. The children are failing themselves.
So, what to do?
The idea of giving someone a test in order to vote seems almost un-American. But, maybe exceptions need to be made. Just as drivers under 21 have certain restrictions placed on them in different states, maybe students need to be able to at least get 50 percent of the questions correct on a current affairs test in order to be allowed to vote?
Obviously, this wouldn’t really work and would raise issues such as..what about stupid adults? Should they have to pass a test,too? Well, come to think of it……..
The answers are far too complex to explore in a simple blog posting, but it is important for older Americans to understand that listening to their children’s advice on whom to vote for may be one of the dumbest things they could ever do.
Obama has captured the imagination of the young; perhaps it is because they lack imagination?
The important thing for parents to remember is this—they actual DO know more than their kids…a lot more! They should be helping their children decide the best person to be elected President and not the other way around.
30 Responses
Long Tall Texan
April 8th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
1These kids are a lot smarter than you think!
Nancy
April 8th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
2charles, while i have a somewhat different take in that i think our job is to educate college kids rather than block them from voting, i do agree that this is a dangerous phenomenon to keep an eye on. after all, it was the same demographic group–galvanized youth entranced by masterful propaganda–who also propelled hitler’s rise…
Tracy
April 12th, 2008 at 4:42 am
3If such a test were administered it would backfire on the countless ignorant older folks who have no idea about what is going on in other countries as evidenced by the fact that they keep falling for the lies that Bush spews daily.
Natalie
April 13th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
4Nancy, are you seriously comparing Obama to HITLER? That is the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever heard. And Tracy, I agree– administer that test to EVERYONE and let’s see how well all demographics do. I think many young voters, myself included, are so disgusted by the current state of affairs that we are desperate for a change… and Obama does a fantastic job of carrying that message. Political experience doesn’t seem to have gotten Bush very far in his decision making ability.
Anonymous
April 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
5While many young people are extremely ignorant, so are most adults past college-age. Ignorance is widespread across age groups, political leanings, and candidacy supporters.
Jeff
April 14th, 2008 at 8:29 am
6Natalie and tracy are idiots. You guys talk as if you could run the copuntry better. Everyone always says yeah hes an idiot but what would you have done?? You talk as if bringing down a dictator and saving lives of many middle easterns in the future is a bad thing. Everyone voted for the war then people turned into judas and claimed they had been against it the whole time
Natalie
April 16th, 2008 at 8:13 am
7Jeff, name calling? How typically Republican of you. Grow up.
anthony
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
8I agree with this article 100% College kids are dumb as nails and they’re all voting for one of two marxists!
Brandon
May 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 am
9And you know everything?
Some college kids may be dumb but some adults are just as dumb. We live in a democracy, quit complaining the your generation has given up on voting and the younger generation has taken great interest in our government and who represents us.
If it were my choice, you wouldn’t be allowed to vote if you were over 50. This nation is built on the backs of the young workers, not old.
Lucas
June 3rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
10Wait a second… the right wing has long been supported by the NRA who believes that Al Qaeda is going to invade our shores in boats. These are the people that are more likely to atribute “christianity is the cruelest system ever to be imposed on man” to Stalin than to Thomas Jefferson.
If you want to have a current events test, by all means, let’s do it. But I guarantee that the vast majority of college-educated people will be voting for democrats.
So please, put in this test. I’m begging you. And watch Obama’s support jump to 80%.
jim
August 28th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
11No most of these kids are just that stupid. As a recruiter for the military, I don’t have a problem finding young men and women who want to join. The problem is finding young ones who can pass an ASVAB test. I mean this is a test that is really not all that hard. But yet kids from high school to college have a hard time meeting the minimun cut. So yes I can believe they are that stupid. Some of the crap that comes through my office just makes me shiver.
Keith
September 5th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
12The “kids” in the 18-to-30 age group may be “stupid”, but they recognize that the policies from our current crop of “smart old” leaders in Washington D.C. are not working. More importantly, these “kids” also recognize that they can affect the course of this country by excercising their civic duties and voting. These young folks are just trying to clean up the mess that the older folks have made.
Jose
September 5th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
13How dare you question the right of young adults to vote! The right of young adults to vote is not negotiable. If they are old enough to be sent to a battlefield to be maimed and killed, they are old enough to vote. End of discussion!
John Bosley
September 13th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
14How much tunnel vision can you commenters have? If you think “these kids” are clueless, how about the redneck from Alaska who’s the GOP Vice Presidential candidate? She doesn’t know where Washington is!
John
Bobby
September 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
15This is the most riduclous article I’ve read to date. Who made you the bottom line on who should vote and who shouldn’t. Very Unamerican of you.
Now lets talk about irresponsibility. The same irresponsible people who created our “economic crisis” (a.k.a. republican party)with deregulation are prepared to stand behind the most irresponsible vice presidential candidate choice in American history. She is Bush in drag!Tax cuts for the rich ? Why do they need it? I make more than enough money per year but yet I still sometimes wonder where dinner is coming from. Pretty sad when you make 80k a year. I’d just like to thank Bush on behalf of the American people.Thank you for food costs going up. Thanks for the gas prices going through the roof. Thanks for sending my friends and family into a pressure cooker (a.k.a. Iraq)to die. Thanks for my electric bill going up higher than it has ever been before. Thanks for making the middle class a permenant underclass. Thanks for letting so many people die when Katrina struck and causing the victims to be called refugees when they are Amercian citizens. Thanks for being the worst president this country has ever endured. Thanks for making me embarassed to admit that Im from America when overseas. Thanks for ruining America! And you people can honestly sit there and say that we need more republicans in office?
Time to embrace the future! Obama 08′
dawne
September 30th, 2008 at 11:40 am
16still voting Democrat stuck on STUPID
Mel Provost
October 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
17Also, when did the cost of living really start to sky rocket?
I’d say within the past two years….now what has changed in the past two years??? A democratic House possibly?
Tsk tsk tsk…For shame…
jennifer
October 16th, 2008 at 11:26 am
18Mel, I think you live in a fantasy world. Maybe you should get a job and stop living off the $1500/mo. allowance your parents give you. You are obviously unaware of the working families out there who have children and CANNOT live off $1500 a month. Please look outside your “box” and see what our president Bush has made of this country but what do you expect from a person who can’t even speak intelligently…..By the way what college did he go to??
If you watched the presidential debate, I think Obama was VERY clear on his plans for change… definitely more clear than McCain was anyway.
One last thought……RIGHT ON BOBBY!!
Rich
October 29th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
19Excuse the formatting, and read this - then send to your friends and the Obama folks…….and the college students should be able to understand this, maybe we just need to describe it in their terms:
A Somewhat Different Version of an Old Story
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since youare all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. “Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up
being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. “I only got a dollar out of the $20,”declared the sixth man. He pointed to
the tenth man,” but he got $10!”
“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!”
“That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”
“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start
drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. Professor of Economics University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
Rhiannon
November 3rd, 2008 at 5:08 am
20I’m sorry but you’re talking about the ignorance of the voters and look at Sarah Palin????
“neighbouring Afghanistan”. . . maybe she should take this test before you go slagging off Obama.
ObamaBabe
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:30 pm
21You are a lame for blogging crap.
ObamaWonYES!!!
November 5th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
22Well look what happened, WE elected Barck Obama. By the way I’m sorry that you think WE are ignorant and don’t know about the world and all (which is not true by the way), but how can you defend choosing Sarah Palin as the republican vice presidential hopeful on McCain’s part? THAT seems ignorant, and decietful to me…and when the situation is this country is better because of Barack Obama what will you say then?
Garrett
November 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
23You are almost as idiotic as our President George W. Bush, and that is nothing to be proud of. The only ignorant person I see in this blog is YOU!
Thanks and have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Greenie
February 19th, 2009 at 1:17 am
24Man, this guy is so stupid…
I really don’t support Obama but if you ask Ex-President Bush these questions, I’m sure he’ll not be able to answer.
Its not “Rarely the question is asked: Are our children learning?”
Duhh… I think Obama is far smarter than Bush and surely every American kid is smarter than G.W.Bush.
So cut the crap… Thank God Bush is gone and Americans don’t have to deal with “Sarah Palin”…
Be thankful to kids at least Americans have someone who can think.
wol
March 11th, 2009 at 11:27 am
25I found this thread by googling the phrase “elected by ignorant children” — it was the first hit. Two out of three comments in response to the article boil down to “Yeah, well adults/Bush/Palin/Rupublicans/you’re stupid!”
It’s now March 11, 2009. Our President has insulted Britain, been unable to seat a cabinet (it seems that every one he knows has unethical skeletons in the closet), the Dow has plummeted, trillions of dollars of taxpayers’ money have been commited to nationalize various financial industries, (which money will be borrowed from nations who already very nearly own what remains of our productive industries, or will be simply printed up in the Treasury’s basement — think double-digit inflation; think Jimmy Carter on acid) — the country’s demoralized, the President’s clearly in over his head, like a new employee who interviewed very well but can’t actually do the job…
This is a President elected by ignorant children.
God help us.
Anita Bonghit
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
26What do I see here??? A bunch of MORONS!!!!!!!
Morons on the Left and Morons on the Right.
FACT: College kids today are FAR more STUPID than just 20 years ago. FACT: Liberals claiming the intellectual high ground are lacking. Turns out the Conservatives are more educated and generally happier than Liberals.
FACT: The Right Wing MORON minority seem to get all the press while the majority is ignored.
FACT: Liberals have some good ideas but too many let emotions cloud logic.
FACT: I will get hate comments after this posting.
Anita Bonghit
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 pm
27Question: What is better for a society? Welfare or Work?
Liberals think welfare is better than work. It dumbs down the populace and brings power to those promising the table scraps. Creating jobs is the effect of capitalism but Liberals will lie and attack successful people and promote class envy/warfare for their own political agenda. Conservatives believe in helping those who are unable to help themselves and promoting self reliance. Liberals believe in government control and will create a fascist society through their efforts. It’s liberals and socialists who dream of “reeducation” camps.
Bob
April 20th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
28The problem is our media has groomed a few generations of kids who have forgotten how this nation was started and why . They have enjoyed a very safe and protected life here in America. They forget that it was their parents hard work and dedication that put them in college. Not a hand out from the government. They have been led to believe that America is bad. Yet they all have enjoyed growing up in a country that is free and has provided them with a place where you can be all you aspire to be . What they dont see through sheer igrorance and inexperience in life is a president who will if given the chance will alter everything they know as it exsists in america today. And sadly by that time they will then realize these things that we the older ones are trying to save them from.
Ray
May 12th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
29Here’s the issue. Free market capitalism requires the ability to predict future regulations and restrictions on the part of the government. When such a radicle shift in policy takes place, predictability is thrown out the window. This scares those in the business world (gas companies, aluminum manufacturers, banks) and prefers some businesses over others ex. AIG, Halliburton (whether intentional or not).If the “stupid” young people want to vote for radical change then they can expect to have trouble finding jobs when they graduate. The business community will be unsure of how to proceed thus not willing to hire people or endorse new products. But don’t worry. Soon the government will be telling us what to make (roads, parks, universal health insurance) and “business” will rev back up again.
manifest Money
June 29th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
30Nice post dude
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